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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:03 pm    Post subject: GETTING SERIOUS NOW Reply with quote

North Sydney Bears Supporters Survey

As you may be aware the North Sydney Bears are currently investigating whether they may be part of a consortium that would bid for the NRL Gold Coast license.

Under the plan, the current Titans Football team would remain based on the Gold Coast, but see a name change to the Gold Coast Bears, wear red and black and propose one annual home game to be held at North Sydney Oval. The club would also investigate a standalone game each season on the Central Coast.

There would also be 7-8 ‘away’ games each season played in Sydney where North Sydney Leagues Club may be the base for players and fans.

As a Leagues Club member or North Sydney Bears supporter, your input is sought to gain a deeper understanding of the opportunities around any bid.

Please click the arrow below to begin the survey.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The survey closes on Tuesday 26th September 2017.

I note only one game at NSO, whereas two had been suggested in previous posts.

The questions are below. It is anonymous, although I expect if you answer "yes" to the last question (I didn't), you'll be asked to provide contact details.

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Are you:
* A member of the North Sydney Leagues Club
* A member of the Seagulls Club
* A current fan of the North Sydney Bears
* A former fan of the North Sydney Bears

For how long have you supported the Bears?
* 0-9 years
* 10-19 years
* 20-29 years
* 30+ years

How often do you currently attend the North Sydney Leagues Club?
* Less than once a year
* 1-10 times per year
* 11-20 times per year
* More than 20 times per year

How would you rate your level of support for a partnership between the North Sydney Bears and the Gold Coast?
* Strongly support
* Support
* Neither support nor oppose
* Oppose
* Strongly oppose
* Don't know

How would you rate your level of enthusiasm for a partnership between the North Sydney Bears and the Gold Coast?
* A lot of enthusiasm
* Some enthusiasm
* Not very much enthusiasm
* No enthusiasm at all
* Don't know

Do you agree or disagree with the following statements:
Strongly agree / Agree / Neither agree nor disagree / Disagree / Strongly disagree / Don't know
* Since the Bears left the NRL I have been less involved with the Leagues Club
* Since the Bears left the NRL I have started following another team
* Since the Bears left the NRL I have stopped following League

If the Gold Coast Bears were playing in the NRL again, how likely would you be to do each of the following:
Very likely / Somewhat likely / Neither likely nor unlikely / Somewhat unlikely / Very unlikely / Don't know
* Attend a game at North Sydney Oval
* Attend a game at other Sydney venue (e.g. Leichhardt Oval, Sydney Football Stadium, Brookvale, Kogarah, ANZ stadium)
* Attend North Sydney Leagues Club or Seagulls Club as a friendly fan hub venue for viewing interstate games on the big screen
* Attend a post-match function at North Sydney Leagues Club
* Attend a post-match function at Seagulls Club
* Take out/renew membership with North Sydney Leagues Club
* Encourage a friend or family member to join North Sydney Leagues Club or Seagulls Club
* Purchase Gold Coast Bears merchandise (e.g. jersey, hat, scarf)

If you have any school aged children; what sport(s) do they currently play? (Select all that apply)
* League
* Union
* AFL
* Soccer
* Netball
* Other (Please specify)
* No sport
* I don't have a school aged child

Would the Bears returning to the NRL make it more likely for your child to play rugby league?
* Yes, definitely
* Yes, probably
* No, probably not
* No, definitely not
* Don't know

Would you be interested in taking part in further research of fans, to be carried out as an online discussion over the course of this week?
* Yes
* No

We thank you for your time spent taking this survey. Your response has been recorded.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 12:49 am    Post subject: LOPEZ - NOT GIVING UP - SMH ARTICLE TODAY Reply with quote

The North Sydney Bears believe their revolutionary dual-city model proposal for the Gold Coast Titans can end the "cycle of failure" for sporting franchises on the holiday strip.

The Bears are one of the parties attempting to buy the Titans in a revolutionary move that would bring one home game back to North Sydney Oval each season. A consortium of business people is providing the financial backing that will finally provide the stability missing during rugby league's various incarnations on the Gold Coast.

"We offer in an innovative model that would end the cycle of failure on the Gold Coast for sporting teams," Lopez said.

"We offer the fans of the Gold Coast a chance to build a stable, sustainable NRL club.

"We want to work in partnership with the existing Gold Coast management group.


"The Bears would bring to the table a network of 230,000 fans. We can drive another 10,000 members and a group of sponsors committed to driving the success of the franchise."

Under the proposal, the team would be rebadged as the Gold Coast Bears in a move that would allow disenfranchised North Sydney fans to reconnect with the game.

"Let's be clear, this is a Gold Coast team," Lopez said.

"We would play one game at North Sydney Oval and the remainder at Cbus Stadium. That would give North Sydney Bears fans a chance to revisit North Sydney Oval in a heritage match against Manly in what would be an iconic match for that round. The massive hype and lead up to that would be something the game has not seen for a long time.

"It's a great story for Bears fans, but it's an even greater story for anyone who wants to see league thrive on the Gold Coast for many years to come.

"It brings new life to a key rugby league market that has been allowed to decline over the years.

"There are 230,000 additional fans that would give this franchise a national presence. With that comes greater revenue and corporate opportunities, which will help us to attract and keep the best players on the Gold Coast.

"That sense of history, pride and community would build on the great work that's been done already in the region with one of the game's great national clubs.

"It's a new model, something the game has not seen before."
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 12:41 pm    Post subject: GOLD CAOST BULLETIN DEQATH KNELL FOR BEARS Reply with quote

It seems there is little interest in the Bears’ flagging bid and Norths will remain languishing in the NSW State Cup.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:08 pm    Post subject: Re: GOLD CAOST BULLETIN DEQATH KNELL FOR BEARS Reply with quote

BLOB wrote:
It seems there is little interest in the Bears’ flagging bid and Norths will remain languishing in the NSW State Cup.


why am i not surprised? thanks for the update.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have heard some of the media on Fox League talking up the Bears bid. They have said that the Bears bid is the best long term option, due to a broader fan base and financial support including Leagues Club backing.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 8:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SMH journo Andrew Webster made mention of a third "mystery" consortium on Friday's Big Sports Breakfast.

However he added something along the lines of 'although the Frizelle - Kelly bid is in front, a transplant of a team (Norths) to the Gold Coast is what might be required'.

Interesting...
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Courier Mail reports that the NRL will retrain ownership of the Gold Coast Titans as the search continues for new owners...the NRL will carry the Titans into the new financial year after failing to offload the club before its desired deadline.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 11:34 am    Post subject: GOLD COAST BULLETIN - HOPE NOT LOST.... Reply with quote

THE NRL will not be able to draw a line under the sale of the Titans by the end of their financial year but are confident they will settle on new owners within weeks after interested parties submit final bids for the Gold Coast by Tuesday.

The NRL took over ownership of the Titans in early 2015 after the club was placed in voluntary administration by directors.

But the league has long said it is not in the business of owning clubs and had vowed to have both the Titans and Newcastle Knights — which it took over in 2014 — off its books by the end of its financial year on October 31.

The Wests Group will officially assume outright ownership of the Knights on Wednesday after entering into an interim partnership with the NRL in August. But the league will carry the Titans into the new financial year.

The formal sale process has been going for almost two months, with parties conducting due diligence on the business.

The re-signing of Ash Taylor to a three-year extension is expected to be a positive for consortiums looking to buy the Titans licence from the NRL.

There are challenges, including the absence of a major sponsor after Aquis decided against taking up the option on their deal of more than $1 million a season.

But last week’s news that star half Ash Taylor had signed a three-year extension will be seen as a bonus by bidders.

Four parties — the Darryl Kelly/Rebecca Frizelle group, North Sydney Bears, Brisbane Bombers and former Salford owner, British billionaire Marwan Koukash — remain in the running for the licence.

A spokesman for the NRL said all consortiums had been given until the end of today to table their bids.

“We will then consider those bids before making a final decision on the ownership,” the spokesman said.

“Clearly, we will be looking at the financial aspects but we know that the relationship with the local community and providing stable owners is just as important.”

But price will not be the only criteria on which the bids are judged.

Objectives including the best outcome for the game, the Titans and the community will also be considered, although potential owners are in the dark about the weighting each of the criteria will be given.

It’s likely to be crucial in the final outcome.

While the Kelly-Frizelle bid is widely considered to be the frontrunner, it is believed other groups have more financial clout, especially the Bears, whose bid team includes Archer Capital boss Peter Wiggs and Gold Coast-based businessman Harry Cheung.

The Bears bid could be a hard sell to Gold Coasters though, with the group set to change the club’s colours and moniker if successful.

Kelly said he had no reason to believe his group was favourite but believed he and Frizelle — who have stepped down from their positions on the Titans board during the bid process — have made a compelling case for ownership.

“Our bid is based around the Titans remaining a Gold Coast-based side and being called the Gold Coast Titans moving forward,” Kelly said.

“It’s for the community of the Gold Coast and the Tweed.

“We’ve put a very comprehensive business case to (the NRL). Unfortunately it’ll take a couple of years to get the business to the point where it’ll be contributing back but we’ve allowed for that in our submission and we’re confident that it’s viable and it’ll be sustainable moving forward.”
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

North Sydney’s attempt to win Titans NRL licence has failed

PETER BADEL, Exclusive, The Courier-Mail
November 3, 2017 7:00pm

IT’S official — North Sydney’s brave battle to return to the big league is dead.

The Courier-Mail can reveal the Bears have been placed in NRL hibernation after a North Sydney consortium failed in its attempt to win the Gold Coast licence.

The Bears launched an ambitious $7 million bid to buy the Titans in March and formalised their plans last month when they were one of four consortia to submit a business proposal to the NRL.

Under the plan, North Sydney would return to the top flight as the Gold Coast Bears, with the club to play two or three home matches at North Sydney Oval.

But NRL hierarchy has put a red line through North Sydney’s proposal, ensuring Gold Coast fans will not see Titans games taken interstate.

The battle for the Titans licence is now a two-horse race between the Rebecca Frizelle-Darryl Kelly consortium and a secret Gold Coast-based businessman.

The North Sydney Bears are out of the race for the Titans licence.

The Brisbane Bombers withdrew their $10m bid last week amid concerns over the long-term viability of a Titans club that is forecast to post another deficit next season.

The Norths development is a devastating blow for the famous foundation club.

Bears officials, led by general manager and former Test star Greg Florimo, have waged a 19-year fight to resurrect the club as an NRL force following North Sydney’s exit from the big league in 1999.

Ultimately, the very issue that led to their demise two decades ago — a lack of money — has cruelled them again.

It is understood the NRL had major concerns about the Bears’ latest bid after it emerged North Sydney Leagues Club, touted as key financial backers, had baulked at bankrolling a $7m buyout.

Without Norths Leagues’ support, the bid effectively fell over — ending any hope of the Bears reviving their 91-year existence in the big league.

Taking games away from Robina’s Cbus Super Stadium was another impediment. North Sydney faced paying a $110,000 levy to the Queensland government for every Titans home game that was shifted from the Robina complex.

The NRL will complete the sale of the Titans by the end of November with the governing body saying it is crucial the new owners are committed to the Gold Coast region.

“The final bids have been lodged and are currently being evaluated,” an NRL spokesman said.

“There will be a range of criteria which determine the best owners for the Titans.

“While the financial offer is one of those factors, we also want to do the best thing by the Gold Coast and their fans.

“We want the owners to have a genuine interest and support for the Gold Coast.”

Business tycoon Norm Black, whose company TripADeal sponsors the Titans, applauded the NRL’s decision to reject the Bears.

“The Gold Coast Bears would have been a disaster,” he said.

“It wouldn’t have worked. You can’t dilute the Titans brand. You are either a North Sydney supporter or a Titans supporter.

“They were poles apart.

“Look at what the game tried to do with the Northern Eagles. Geographically they (Norths and Manly) were side-by-side and it still didn’t work.”
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You can’t dilute the Titans brand.


Ridiculous thing to say.

It's starting to become more apparent why this succession of "Gold Coast Businessmen" have been so unsuccessful in sustaining a rugby league team
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kjwbea wrote:
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You can’t dilute the Titans brand.


Ridiculous thing to say.

It's starting to become more apparent why this succession of "Gold Coast Businessmen" have been so unsuccessful in sustaining a rugby league team


When Searle & co got the licence in 2007, they raved on about the Dolphins name being a powerful marketing brand, leveraging off the NFL Miami Dolphins blah, blah.
When Redcliffe stepped in to prevent use of their name, the powerful brand suddenly became a trivial detail, Gold Coast saying "the Dolphins was just a moniker" and change of name would have no impact.
They were probably right about that ... after Giants, Seagulls, Chargers, Vikings (off season failure), they may as well velcro the name on their jerseys. Outfit the whole team in white boots; that will give it a true local flavour.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

unbearable wrote:
..... Vikings (off season failure) .....

The off season failure was the Gladiators which took part in the 1996 World Sevens tournament (even winning one of the minor trophies) but folded before the season began and the ARL took control. The ARL got the Gold Coast Chargers on the field for the 1996 season, coincidentally playing North Sydney in round 1.

I've never been that sold on the Gold Coast Bears bid for the reasons outlined in my short post of August 2007 (the third one in this thread, the one in which I mis-spell "rapt" as "wrapped").

I note that a couple of the arguments I put forth in support of the Adelaide Bears - i.e. the existence of a ready-made supporter base in Sydney and the basing of the team at NS Oval during its visits to Sydney - were used by the proponents of the Gold Coast Bears. The Adelaide Bears suggestion was quite a few years ago and was around the time that former NS first grader Bruce Walker was general manager of the South Australian Rugby League. Some extracts from various posts are below although I don't think I persuaded anyone.

Tue Jun 10, 2008 1:20 pm
www.mightybears.com/viewtopic.php?p=21039&sid=2069da57bab06897380810665c93ff03
..... Adelaide Bears is an option we shouldn't dismiss. The chances of getting at least one game a year at NSO are higher than if it was the CC Bears which would see a lock, stock and barrel relocation to the CC. A selling point for Adelaide is that there is an existing fan base in Sydney (this would also be a selling point for the NRL as games in Sydney against many of the interstate teams don't attract visiting fans). It could also mean the continuation of the NS Bears in the NSW Cup under a feeder club arrangement similar to our arrangement with Souths. Adelaide Bears could use NS Oval as its base in Sydney, and the Leagues Club could be brought on-side (including as a financial backer) with use of the club facilities (gym, pool etc) and also as a venue for post-match functions involving the team.

Other selling points for Adelaide is that Tim Pickup was the CEO of Adelaide Rams, and Bruce Walker is the current General Manager of the South Australian Rugby League.

Wed Mar 04, 2009 1:01 pm
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I support the preservation of the three things - the name "Bears", the colours Red & Black and the recognition of NS 1908 on the playing strip. However, what if the CC only wants one of these things but, for instance, the Adelaide RL approaches Norths and says that it would include all three? While the resolution is described as "non binding", should the point be made that while the preference might be the CC, the board should not close itself to partnerships with other bidders, particularly if it means retaining the three things that we associate with the Bears. Personally, I would prefer to see the Adelaide Bears in Red & Black than the CC Bears in Yellow & Blue, or the CC Whatevers in Red & Black.

Sun Apr 12, 2009 11:11 am
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I think you can also construct an argument for the Bears being the Adelaide team. Advantages include a ready made supporter base in Sydney (something other interstate clubs lack), the Bears basing themselves at NSO in the lead up to their Sydney games (and the possibility of visits to schools and clubs in the district which would help promote RL in the area), and after match functions at NS Leagues Club. Former NS 1st grader Bruce Walker used to be General Manager of the SA Rugby League, although no longer is.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It appears that since the Leagues Club severed its control by the Football Club to stop David Hill and the Save the Bears crowd there has been no intention by that club to support its footy club which even though this was the reason for its existence.

The fact that anyone who looks can see that resurrecting the NS Bears "brand" would have tremendous benefits to everyone indicates that something else is going on to keep the Bears out.
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