With Manly In Trouble, Is It Now Time For Florimo To Strike?

 
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2016 9:32 am    Post subject: With Manly In Trouble, Is It Now Time For Florimo To Strike? Reply with quote

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With Manly In Trouble, Is It Now Time For Florimo To Strike?
By Ron Swanson
5 Jun 2016

In 1946, half the members of the North Sydney Bears quit and agreed to play with the newly formed Manly Warringah Sea Eagles.

Legend has it a mass brawl broke out at Tunks Park between former teammates. Love them or loathe them, the way the Sea Eagles entered the world of rugby league left many non-fans with a bitter, "licked the ashtray the night before" taste in their mouths.

Maybe I only speak on behalf of Bears fans, or Western Suburbs fans or Parramatta fans or South Sydney fans or other clubs who have had their gun players poached by the Manly Warringah Sea Eagles. They are a club that was hell bent on success regardless of it's reputation.

In the year 2016, which is the club's 70th birthday (if you conveniently disregard the Northern Eagles years), allegations of match fixing has the potential to seriously damage the club's future.

Multiple court hearings could proceed but again it's early days to predict what lays in store. As a fan of abusing the line 'remember the good old days…' I would love nothing more than to see Greg Florimo and his loyal band of Bearlievers take to the streets, call a rally at Tunks Park and get the Big Black Bears back on the road again.

Super League was the catalyst that killed off the Bears while their mortal rivals where seen as more sustainable due to their superior on-field success.

Greg Florimo, was born and bred to bleed for the Bears, with pasty pale skin that would over exaggerate the smallest black bruise, along with this trademark red locks.

In 1997 I witnessed a great moment when the over excited Flo called the crowd onto Bear Park after belting Manly 41-8, the biggest win recorded over their much despised rivals.

Flo would have remembered many a dark day in the traditional North Shore derbies and couldn't hide his elation. One memorable try was scored after Flo decided to put in an overhead bomb while facing his own try line.

The Manly side was coached that day by Bob Fulton, another favourite of North Sydney diehards. If any man deserves reward for persistence, it's the man they called 'Flo'.

Odds are Manly will most likely survive this current, potentially explosive crisis. But whenever a sniff or slight window of opportunity arrives, Greg Florimo and has band of men need to strike when the iron is hot, an iron which is currently hotter than the contents of Mt Vesuvius!

Some of us have heard legend of what a great, shrewd administrator Ken Arthurson was at Manly.

The days when brown paper bags, new cars, cheap as chips housing and other promises had an audit trail on par with a Greek bank.

I have no proof or take too much from rumours of what went on back in the halcyon days of Manly Warringah FC. I just know I won't shed a tear or have an ounce of sympathy if they fail to front for season 201

I'd happily switch on The Footy Show to hear the reaction of the smug Queenslander Paul Vautin, if the day of reckoning eventuates. That alone would warm the cockles of this old rugby league tragic.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2016 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good article, although the first line is not entirely accurate.

North Sydney voted for Manly's inclusion in the competition for the 1947 season, even though it would mean losing players under the residential rule at the time. They did this because it was for the good of the game.

This is what makes Manly's lack of support, or indeed downright opposition, to our re-entry into the competition so unpalatable. They have forgotten the circumstances for their inclusion in the first place.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kjwbea wrote:
Good article, although the first line is not entirely accurate.

North Sydney voted for Manly's inclusion in the competition for the 1947 season, even though it would mean losing players under the residential rule at the time. They did this because it was for the good of the game.

This is what makes Manly's lack of support, or indeed downright opposition, to our re-entry into the competition so unpalatable. They have forgotten the circumstances for their inclusion in the first place.

Agreed, the 1947 players didn't have a choice - even if they wanted to play for Norths (and most probably didn't as they would have wanted to play for their local club) the NSWRL residential rule obliged them to play for Manly. This is even recognised on the Manly-Warringah website (see below). MW was a sub-district of the NSJRL until 1946.

http://manlyfootballclub.com.au/index.php/history wrote:
On November 4 1946 Manly again sent a deputation to the NSWRL.

Attending with them were officials from North Sydney who were supporting Manly's request. Norths selflessly put forward Manly's bid, even though its inclusion would see them lose a large number of players from all grades with the immediate application of the residential rule. But Norths took the view that the distance many players, officials and supporters were forced to travel to be part of the Bears [*] meant that the expansion of rugby league was suffering.

They believed that Manly's inclusion would provide a far better platform for League to gain a hold over Union in the area. However, while Parramatta Council was assisting with the bid for district club status in its area by allowing open use and developing Cumberland Oval, the Manly Council was still staunchly in the Union camp. Despite increased media and community pressure towards the Council to allow use of Manly Oval, it did not change its stance and Manly's bid proceeded with Brookvale Oval as its home ground.

The NSWRL accepted Manly's application and, along with Parramatta, they were granted admission to the 1947 competition.

North Sydney though suffered more than they anticipated. After having played in the 1943 Grand Final they hit the wall after the exodus of Manly players for 1947.

The Bears lost half of their games in 1947, before spending the next four seasons at the bottom of the ladder.

The exodus of Norths players included Ray Black, Johnny Bliss, Mackie Campbell, Ern Cannon, John Clough, A.J. Collins, Harry Grew, Jim Hall, Len Johnson, Reo Jones, Gus Kellock, A. Kerle, Keith Kirkwood, Harry Luker, Reg Mullens, Kelly McMahon, Basil Seymour, Jim Walsh, Max Whitehead and Gordon Willoughby.

* Not that NS was called the Bears in 1946.

This background of NS's support for the game makes the treatment that NS received in the 1990s and the lack of support now even more disgraceful.

One other comment:

Ron Swanson wrote:
In the year 2016, which is the club's 70th birthday (if you conveniently disregard the Northern Eagles years) .....

The 70 years is unbroken - MW continued to field a team called MW in whatever Reserve Grade was called when the 1st grade side was Northern Eagles.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 2:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kjwbea wrote:
Good article, although the first line is not entirely accurate.

North Sydney voted for Manly's inclusion in the competition for the 1947 season, even though it would mean losing players under the residential rule at the time. They did this because it was for the good of the game.

This is what makes Manly's lack of support, or indeed downright opposition, to our re-entry into the competition so unpalatable. They have forgotten the circumstances for their inclusion in the first place.


If that were true why does Andrew Moore record that there was an altercation between the 2 factions at the 1946 Norths Christmas picnic, LOL!. It does appear that "kjwbea" is the one who is inaccurate.
However if there is some sound factual evidence to back up kjwbea's claim then please let it be known. Please don't though let it be just a trivial bit of circumstance like we see here. This is an educated audience not one that will fall for foolish mass media headline grabbing one liners. Those who read this page know and understand the history of North Sydney and no one will fall for ignorant stupidity from anyone.
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