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PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 2:36 pm    Post subject: ABC RN -Interview with David Hill Reply with quote

One of the segments on the ABC Radio National show "Sunday Extra" is "The Year that Made Me". In the last show he presented, Sunday 27th August 2017, the host Tom Switzer spoke with former North Sydney Bears head David Hill. It goes for just under 14 minutes, finishing (as usual) with a song from the year in question - in David Hill's case, 1965. The interview is at radio.abc.net.au/programitem/pg4G0drg2G (you'll have to cut and paste the link - it doesn't work with "www", nor does inserting the "URL" tags either side of the link.)

The interview covers a number of things - David's childhood, his time as a child migrant, the child abuse inquiry, the social changes of the 1960s including travelling to Hanoi in 1965, his involvement in Neville Wran's government including as head of State Rail, and his time as head of the ABC.

Switzer also mentions Hill's new book, "The Fair and the Foul: Inside our Sporting Nation" (Random House Australia), in which he discusses his stoush with rugby league officialdom over tobacco advertising and how the league threatened to expel North Sydney from the comp. All the other clubs passed a resolution supporting the league's position. He said that not one sports administrator ever said to him that what he was doing was right, not even privately. Switzer suggests that Russell Crowe should buy the film rights.

I remember at the time listening to Ken Arthurson and John Quayle defend the sponsorship from Rothman's cigarettes (makers of Winfield) on the basis that it was a legal product. Legality wasn't the point. I imagine that if Canberra Raiders announced that its front of jersey sponsor was one of the pornography outlets operating legally in the ACT, then the league would have stepped in and said that's not the sort of product we want to be associated with. [Declaration: I have a down on smoking as both my father and brother died of smoking-related causes, although my attitude does pre-date their deaths.]

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 4:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And here's really why we're not in the comp...
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

djmac wrote:
And here's really why we're not in the comp...

Hill's stance certainly put the league and clubs offside but I don't know if that's the reason why we're not in the comp. He was president from 1989-92, and the Bears continued for another seven seasons after his departure. I know RL people can have long memories but I think our exclusion was due to the club going into administration at a time when the NRL was looking to reduce the number of clubs. That can't be blamed on Hill. The NRL was having a tough time of reducing the numbers, even worse than what the ARU is having with trying to kick the Western Force out of Super Rugby. Having the Bears enter administration was a convenient justification for forcing a merger with Manly which wasn't far off going into administration itself. Manly didn't want a merger any more than we did, but had to take the money on offer. I don't blame Manly for not supporting the Northern Eagles any longer than it had to - we would have done exactly the same in order to re-establish the Bears in the NRL as a stand-alone club. As if the Bears would have said that we had to keep the Northern Eagles going for the sake of Manly's supporters.

North Sydney also contributed to its demise by endorsing the criteria that would lead to the culling of clubs. It wasn't fussed because it supposedly had a guarantee that the move to the Central Coast meant it would be treated as a regional club and therefore exempt from the criteria. There's no record of that guarantee because it was verbal. FFS, why wouldn't you get something like that in writing? (Although I don't think it would have mattered to the administrator.) From memory, South Sydney was the only club that railed against the unfairness of the criteria. Rather than oppose the criteria, North Sydney was quite happy to endorse them and let some other club be cut. We'd be right, we have a guarantee, so what do we care?

I'd also argue that staying loyal to the ARL also hurt us (although I supported staying in the ARL and am still glad we did). But the reality is that six of the seven clubs that left the ARL to join Super League are still around in their own right - Brisbane, Canberra, Canterbury, North Queensland, Penrith and Warriors. The only one that isn't around is Perth Reds which, after a promising start in the ARL as the Western Reds, almost folded at the end of 1995 until Rupert Murdoch stepped in with his Super League money; it was easily expendable and was cut at the end of the Super League season. In contrast, only three of the twelve ARL clubs survived originally - Newcastle, Parramatta and Sydney Roosters. Manly and Souths both got back in later.

I don't think David Hill's opposition to cigarette advertising is why we're not in the NRL. I think you have to look at decisions taken by later administrations and the circumstances of the time.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:36 pm    Post subject: THE REAL REASON - Reply with quote

I would look at the Board of Directors who put the Club into Administration and then picked an Administrator who was determined to force a merger with the scum despite the fact he knew nothing about the club.

The Directors asserted that the footy club was broke despite the fact it had the licence to the Gosford Stadium for free for 21 years and this included the advertising, corporate boxes and food and liqour sales.


The fact that the Club was in no way broke was shown when the Administrator finally then "sold" the licence to Singleton (to whom he also delivered the Magic Millions) for $2 million after the Bears were ejected from the NRL and Singo has been profiting from this publicly funded asset ever since. Another amazing piece of luck for him.

David Hill had arranged finance to cover the Club's debts whether or not the club had an NRL licence which would more than have paid out the club's debts (mainly) outstanding player payments but the Administrator's agenda would not let him consider that option.

Ah the memories......
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2017 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Libelous against Hill? If losing my beloved Bears was the price to pay for getting cigarettes out of sport then I'd pay that over and over again, so I'd support that position.

I agree with the idea that not going Super League is a huge factor in our demise (I have my tweet ready from when he finally kicks the bucket:"Enjoy hell, you ****") and that there appears to be something stanky (ALLEGEDLY) about the way Singleton has profited off the board's decisions, but given the ridiculous amount of money in tobacco that was flying around the sport and the tobacco industry in general, and that the tobacco industry is comprised largely of scoundrels who wouldn't work in it if they weren't (ALLEGEDLY) I'm not willing to give up my conspiracy theory yet! Razz

As an aside I have a lot of trouble not picturing this champion during this thread: https://goo.gl/nPzkSb
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2017 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

djmac wrote:
Libelous against Hill? If losing my beloved Bears was the price to pay for getting cigarettes out of sport then I'd pay that over and over again, so I'd support that position.

Hey djmac, I wasn't suggesting you were being libelous, I was cautioning future posters from straying into that territory.

I'm not sorry to see cigarettes out of sport either. An insidious product. When I think of my father not being able to walk 30m down our hallway without stopping to catch his breath in the loungeroom, when I think of my brother dead at 49 of ischaemic heart disease (a hardening of the arteries) .... bloody John Quayle and his defence of "legal product".

As for what happened to the Bears, I hope that someone writes the story sometime.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2017 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Either way you look at it, we were marked once we went anti tobacco.
The boys club at Phillips Street had their (Sea Eagle) feathers ruffled, we embarrassed them big time and we were to pay.

The way i see it, the hierarchy would never have stood by and allowed us to lift the 'Winfield Cup'. It couldn't happen and they did what they could with the likes of Eddie 'cheating prick' Ward in particular to stop us.

We 'stayed loyal' whatever that was mean't to mean down the track and got a massive knife in the back. Manly were up against the wall broke and we were pro-active and the team willing to build a new ground and yet with everything that went with it we got shafted. The goal posts kept moving. So much for traditional clubs.

Cronulla were broke throughout the 80's, and almost gone financially every decade since, but were spoon fed with cash injections by the games rulers.(Super league protected) They were even offered millions to play at Gosford. Drug cheating, scandals etc, they are a protected species.
A complete shame we never left Arthurson and his corrupt regime including Quayle to rot and maybe those pricks Manly would have gone to the wall, but i suspect Arthurson would have sacrificed another team to keep them afloat.

The whitewashing of Singleton stripping our flesh and Brookvale doing the same is unforgivable and it seems nothing has really officially ever been written about it.

I don't want to wish injuries on any player, but when it comes to Manly i say fuck it.

PS Great memories from the David Hill days. (except for Darryl 1/6)
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2017 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fintan, looks like everyone's taken your warning with a pinch of salt!

When I was back in AUS earlier this year I was appalled to see they'd let the gambling ads posing as legitimate commentary back in to the half time broadcast. Disgusting stuff and Tom Waterhouse must be feeling hard done by. Next stop, let's get rid of 1) gambling, 2) booze and 3) fried chicken cricket!

1/6 *groan*
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